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Stall Team Advice for Challenges

It seems the game is pointing me towards a more Arts-oriented setup. I got Caster Gil during Babylonia's release, Tamamo during the GSSR, and Berserker Vlad while trying and failing to roll for Musashi. I also got my second Saberlot during that time.

Right now I'm trying to craft a team for challenge quests, starting with the one in the upcoming Prison Tower event.

Right now I'm thinking the following setup.

Vlad (Maid in Halloween to boost healing received)
Tamamo (Gentle Affection to boost healing given)

Backline:
Mash (Iron-willing Training)
Hans (2030/Gentle Affection)
??? (Ideal Holy King)

For support, I'm aware that Jeanne is usually paired with Tamamo and Vlad. I was thinking of using Merlin. He may be more Buster support (Vlad does have 2 Buster Cards) but I was aiming for his NP more than his Buster support. With his NP, I could use Tamamo's NP more often, healing the party alongside Merlin's heal per turn and lowering cooldown repeatedly.

Low cooldowns would let me use Vlad and Tamamo's Def up buffs more often, Vampirism and Curse too for stall, and Merlin's skills would also benefit of course (1st for NP gauge, 2nd for Invincibility against NPs, 3rd for Max HP).

To me, that seems better than Jeanne's NP, which also stuns her leading to possible (and likely) chain breaks.

I also plan to use Chaldea Combat Uniform as my Mystic Code for this setup. The stun (provided it isn't resisted) could delay an NP or I could use Order Change to swap Vlad with Mash for her taunt and Invincibility (provided it isn't an AoE NP). It would take out my DPS (plus his vampirism for stall) but I get a sturdier defensive wall with her skills, NP and lack of class weakness.

So... Opinions?

I also need suggestions for my final backline member. I was thinking Cu (I don't have Herc or Cu Alter) but I'm hoping I don't have to need all three backline members.

Thanks.

Asked by JessMartin5 years 2 months ago
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by zer0z 5 years 2 months ago

That sounds fine tbh. In fact it sounds like a pretty good setup. Cu is also fine as the very last backline servant. I would still be cautious about relying on Vlad as the only DPS, maybe include another arts DPS in the backrow somewhere just in case Vlad dies, but other than that there's nothing wrong with it.

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Good point on the second DPS. The other Arts-centric Servants I have are Nero Bride, Saberlot, Chloe, EMIYA, Orion, Rider Mordred, and Helena. Vlad was my main choice due to his Berserker class (the upcoming challenge quest has numerous classes including Ruler).

Hm... I suppose EMIYA would do well. Merlin's Buster buff for his NP, Tamamo's Arts buff for his arts cards to build up NP, his NP for Crit Stars and and ATK debuff on the enemy, and an Evade for survivability.

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Yeah, tbh just go with whatever has class advantage. Emiya would work fine, though personally I would use Chloe over Emiya in a team like that sicne Emiya's stargen isn't reliable enough on its own to take advantage of his crit buff consistently.

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That was the idea, yes, but the prison tower's challenge quest is basically a boss rush. The boss battles of the seven event quests all rolled into a seven-round battle. The only lancers are two homunculus mobs in one of the battles, but Jeanne(Ruler) shows up in the fourth round while Amakusa and Jeanne (Ruler again) team up in the sixth round.

And if I'm going to be repeatedly spamming NPs then Emiya's NP's party wide ATK down seems more useful than Chloe's ST Crit down. Though as mentioned below, Euryale might work well as a staller/nuker with her Vampirism/Charm combo, though she does lack any sort of defensive skills.

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by Exa 5 years 2 months ago

for what see ppl use Nero bride in this kind of team so she can buff vlad, but still become the damage dealer if vlad die.
Try her out, she may work good for you.
And dont forget caster gil. I have leveled him and he is quite good. his first skill may be good for some extra burst if you use it with his np (in thet kind of team this is the only way to make some star)

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I have Gil, as mentioned above, but I find him more suited for an Arts-crit team alongside Saberlot/EMIYA.

I have Nero Bride too, but putting her next to Vlad would mean removing Tamamo, who I need for healing and cooldown reduction. Using a support Tamamo would mean removing Merlin, who I need for all around support and full party NP gains. I could use Nero as backup DPS but she lacks an Evade/Invincibility skill, which I want on hand in case my Mystic Code skills and Merlin's skill are both on cooldown.

Still, I'll keep her in mind. Thanks.

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Your team is good and almost all kinds of Art teams is designed to counter harder contents and challenge quest.
One thing to remember, if you're using this kind of teams then you're probably going all out or want to defeat some annoying enemies.

- Asterios is good if you want an agressive Art Stall team ( enemies with multiple hits is more preferable ).
- Euryale can spam her NP ( imagine you're spamming a Nuclear bombs against any male bosses except Lancer ) with your team. Put a Holy Shroud of Magdalene ( def vs males + 25 % ) and you're even harder to lose, using Iron-Willed Training is also fine.
Edmond Dantes is also a male, it's just make everything easier.

You can even One-shotted Orion by using Euryale ( even Orion can't raise her NP gauge, because he is dealing with Art Stall teams ).
Worse, he can't attack my team at all and i feel bad he's dying with a raging boner.

Sigh and here my Gil Caster need 18 Proof of Hero T_T ( my Helena is already overworked support all of my teams ), need to stick to friends Tamamo a bit more.

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Asterios's debuffs would be great if he weren't so squishy XD

Euryale's double NP drain/charm for stall does make her a tempting choice for a back-up DPS over EMIYA, though she lacks any sort of defensive skills and is, statwise, squishier. I'll have to test out the team somehow.

Thanks.

And I feel ya there. My Gil's skills are stuck at 8/7/10. I still need over 50 poison needles, not to mention the lanterns and 19 more proof of hero. My Tamamo STILL needs pages too and I need serious QP for Vlad, who's only at 6/5/5. TT_TT

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Yeah, but check out this video where someone defeated Goetia with only 3* or less servants, and where Asterios was, in my opinion, the reason it was possible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCwNsdGueLQ

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There are actually a lot of stall team existed. Even for Art stall team, there is like offensive stall team, pure stall team, art critical team, etc.
For instance, Vlad as DPS, then

(a) 2030s for Vald + Tamamo + Merlin (not 2030 for Vlad, i mean for the team)
(b) Divine Banquet/Prisma Cosmos for Vlad + Tamamo + Waver
(c) Vlad + Tamamo/Jeanne + Mashu
(d) Maid in Holloween&Gentle Affection for Vlad + Medea Lily/Iris + X
(e)
(f)
.........
etc

They all have their own advantage and disadvantage. Even Vlad himself is great due to Berserker's universal purpose, but Orion, Archuria, and even SR and 3 stars Art DPS..... Could replace Vlad but more complicated team combo.

And pure defensive stall team, like Merlin-Jeanne-Tamamo-Mashu-Medea Lily........ still existed.

But I have common suggestion
(1) Stall team required high level skills. If not, then select most critical one to raise to lv10. Like Tamamo's 3rd skill, Bride's 1st skill, which affect Art card performance, or NP Gain, as first priority. Healing and deference up as second priority. The most important thing is their skills' CD will be reduced as skill leveled-up, in this case like lv9-7 vs lv6, you can save materials/Qp for other skills to lv 10 or lv6.
(2) Sub member suggest to have 1 taunt unit. Depends. Georgios is best, but taunt CE David , no CE d'Eon, Kaleidoscope Leonidas are also good.
Mashu is also a taunt unit, but I prefer her to provide continuous stall rather than these servants to save your team in few turns and defeated. You will consume almost ~70% of your cost for your front 3 servants with proper CEs. Therefore Mashu is always best as sub-member, but still required a Georgios-style servants. They will use 2 Sub-members
Then the 3rd submember, I suggest a tremendous healer/Debuff mover (Medea Lily, Martha, Iris, etc), or one substitute of your support in your front 3 (dual Waver, dual Merlin, etc), or a DPS to replace Vlad in some cased (like Eurylate when facing male bosses). Depends on your enemy
(3) Combat suit is best for Stall team thus far. Mage Association and Lunar Sea Memories look good in apparent but not so good in practical as combat suit.

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by Mysty 5 years 2 months ago

One small note: the stun on combat uniform mystic code CAN be resisted by enemies with high debuff resist. It is just a lot more effective than most stun skills that are chance based (chance of firing stun then chance of getting past debuff resistance) or limited by enemy type.

The stun usually lands from the mystic code, but it isn't guaranteed. Be aware. Imo it is the best mystic code and I just managed to get it to level 10 during Solomon :-D

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